If a pregnant mother is beaten and loses her child, is it a murder?

[Thiebear]

Omg im outta here, i would rather be ignorant than know that number...

[FBChick]

Originally posted by Destino

So then if you wife has a miscarriage her body should be considered a crime scene until the police declare otherwise?

You all laugh and scoff at him for this statement, when he actually hit the sole basis of the pro-choice movement. It's so much more then the right to abhort the fetus.. it's about deciding who has controll over the woman's body during the course of her pregnancy.

Once you declare the fetus a life at conception, then you have to deal with all the legal ramifications that implies. Let me take his statement a step further.

A young woman has sex with a man and then discovers she is pregnant. The relationship with the man ends badly and then seperate. Through the course of the pragnancy the woman has been adiment about the fact that she has no desire to be a mother and wants nothing to do with the baby. The man on the other hand has decided he wants the child and makes plans to raise it once it is born. During the second trimester the fetus dies and is still born. Does the man have the right to inquire about the cause of the death? Does he have the right to break Dr/ patient priviledge of the woman in order to find this information, because the only evidence is going to exist within her body.

Does society have the right to determine when a woman has not taken enough steps to ensure the health and welfare of the fetus? Do they have the right to take preventative actions as we do with children from abusive households? Whose responsibility is it to care for the long term storage of left over embryos once a couples IVF is successful? You would no longer be able to just throw them out as they would be ruled a life. What if the refridgeration system at such a clinic died, killing all the embryos in storage? Can I charge the Dr for Manslaughter so many times over he'd be treated worse then a serial killer?

Before you deem life begins at Conception and should be deemed murder if terminated, manslaughter if accidently terminated... answer me these questions and think about the far reaching consequences and tell me, as a woman, why I should feel safe.

[portisizzle]

Originally posted by FBChick


You all laugh and scoff at him for this statement, when he actually hit the sole basis of the pro-choice movement. It's so much more then the right to abhort the fetus.. it's about deciding who has controll over the woman's body during the course of her pregnancy.

I don't laugh and scoff at Destino.

I pray and worry for Destino.

[FBChick]

Originally posted by portisizzle


I don't laugh and scoff at Destino.

I pray and worry for Destino.

Why worry.. the man at least can make his decision based on logical and societal reasoning, not based on emotional and religious conjecture.

[flyingtiger1013]

Originally posted by portisizzle



hey that rhymed.....


hell's,
bells,
were just a bunch of cells.

That may just replace Dust in the Wind.

"Just a bunch of cells
All of us, just a bunch of cells..."

[portisizzle]

Originally posted by FBChick


You all laugh and scoff at him for this statement, when he actually hit the sole basis of the pro-choice movement. It's so much more then the right to abhort the fetus.. it's about deciding who has controll over the woman's body during the course of her pregnancy.

Alright I have to respond. Destino was referring to a crazy politician in the Virginia state legislature who introducted legislation making it a requirement that all women who have a miscarriage report it to the police.

You give yourself and Destino too much credit here. I doubt seriously the "pro-life" movement is based upon having to report a misscarriage. But thanks for playing.

Care to research how many abortion have occurred since 1972?

[iheartskins]

Originally posted by portisizzle
Care to research how many abortion have occurred since 1972?

Just curious how this is relevant to the discussion.

Please explain and I'll post (or not) figures accordingly.

[portisizzle]

Originally posted by FBChick


You all laugh and scoff at him for this statement, when he actually hit the sole basis of the pro-choice movement. It's so much more then the right to abhort the fetus.. it's about deciding who has controll over the woman's body during the course of her pregnancy.

Once you declare the fetus a life at conception, then you have to deal with all the legal ramifications that implies. Let me take his statement a step further.

A young woman has sex with a man and then discovers she is pregnant. The relationship with the man ends badly and then seperate. Through the course of the pragnancy the woman has been adiment about the fact that she has no desire to be a mother and wants nothing to do with the baby. The man on the other hand has decided he wants the child and makes plans to raise it once it is born. During the second trimester the fetus dies and is still born. Does the man have the right to inquire about the cause of the death? Does he have the right to break Dr/ patient priviledge of the woman in order to find this information, because the only evidence is going to exist within her body.

Does society have the right to determine when a woman has not taken enough steps to ensure the health and welfare of the fetus? Do they have the right to take preventative actions as we do with children from abusive households? Whose responsibility is it to care for the long term storage of left over embryos once a couples IVF is successful? You would no longer be able to just throw them out as they would be ruled a life. What if the refridgeration system at such a clinic died, killing all the embryos in storage? Can I charge the Dr for Manslaughter so many times over he'd be treated worse then a serial killer?

Before you deem life begins at Conception and should be deemed murder if terminated, manslaughter if accidently terminated... answer me these questions and think about the far reaching consequences and tell me, as a woman, why I should feel safe.

Madame, save yourself the despair. All I was asking was if killing a baby in the womb was considered murder. However, if I was that baby, I know that I would not feel safe from people with your point of view. That is for certain!

You know my parents had me at a young age. i was born in June 1972. Under your standard, they would have had a legitimate argument to abort me because at 18 and 19 years old, how could they afford me? Well Dad quit college to work for the family and my Mother raised me. It was hard work and they took a major hit in living their life as teenager and young adults might like. Let me just proclaim for your benefit, that I think I was worth it.

While I am at it I am going looking for those stats on how many abortions sonce 1972.....

[twa]

Originally posted by The Evil Genius
Shoot...I just turned 30...but to some of you, I have been 30 years old for over 9 months.

Did you think why they track how far along a pregnancy is,conception begins a cycle that results in a newborn in every instance[Unless of course something interupts the process].... Is that any different than a newborn becoming a adult?

[iheartskins]

Also, just so we're all clear on what Roe v. Wade stands for:

In Roe v. wade, the Supreme Court found that a woman's right to choose to have an abortion was part of the fundamental constitutional right of privacy. After establishing that fundamental sonstitutional principle, the majoirty opinion in Roe rule that a government regulation of abortion practices could be upheld only if it was narrowly tailored to promote a compelling intererest.

Source: John E. Nowak and Ronald D. Rotunda, Constitutional Law (6th ed. 2000)

[portisizzle]

Number of abortions.....

Their success was rapid and total – resulting in abortion being legalized in all 50 states, for virtually any reason, and throughout all nine months of pregnancy. Since the Supreme Court's controversial Roe v. Wade decision in 1973, American doctors have performed well over 40 million abortions.


That would be 40,000,000........hmmmm

How many people voted in this years election.....be right back......

[iheartskins]

Originally posted by portisizzle
Number of abortions.....

Their success was rapid and total – resulting in abortion being legalized in all 50 states, for virtually any reason, and throughout all nine months of pregnancy. Since the Supreme Court's controversial Roe v. Wade decision in 1973, American doctors have performed well over 40 million abortions.


That would be 40,000,000........hmmmm

How many people voted in this years election.....be right back......

Source?

[portisizzle]

Originally posted by iheartskins


Source?

I got the quote from a conservative site. So for balance use this. It is the same information......

http://womensissues.about.com/cs/abo...rtionstats.htm

[portisizzle]

Oh, we had about 120,000,000 people vote in this years election.

So we are looking at about 35 to 40 percent ratio of people that voted this year to babies that were aborted since 1973.

[iheartskins]

Originally posted by portisizzle
Oh, we had about 120,000,000 people vote in this years election.

So we are looking at about 35 to 40 percent ratio of people that voted this year to babies that were aborted since 1973.

Wait, fetuses that were aborted in 1996 could vote?