Yes
No
I do not know
And a quote from this site.....
There are approximately 46 million abortions conducted each year, 20 million of them obtained illegally.
That would be close to 50 million abortions a year. Kinda brings this debate home to roost for me.
That was a nice divergence. Now we can go back to this issue of murder and unborn children.
On this particular point I am looking for perspective. And I am satisfied with my conclusion that a boat load of abortions happened.Originally posted by iheartskins
Wait, fetuses that were aborted in 1996 could vote?
For further perspective, how many Jews died during WW2.
I will look this up tomorrow. I am tired now.:cold:
Wow, fa real, could you imagine 50 million babies being added to this country every year? To put that into perspective, there's like 200+ million in the country right now. As to the original question: it depends on the age of the fetus. If the embroy is just created and the thing's like the size of a lima bean, then no, it isn't murder. If the woman is like in her 9th month of pregnancy, then yea, you could make an arugement for that being murder.Originally posted by portisizzle
And a quote from this site.....
There are approximately 46 million abortions conducted each year, 20 million of them obtained illegally.
That would be close to 50 million abortions a year. Kinda brings this debate home to roost for me.
That was a nice divergence. Now we can go back to this issue of murder and unborn children.
We don't know what we think, we don't know what we know. All we have to go on, is what we say and what we show...
Along with the affects that new 3D sonograms will have on the general public's perception of the child within the mother.Originally posted by skin-n-vegas Someday, Roe V Wade will evolve into a Pro-Life decision. (as the point of viability increases with medical technology)
Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam
With current laws if a woman was on the top step to the abortion clinic and a pro-life activist ran up and punched her in the stomach and said HERE its done Killer....
I just can't follow this logic, although I don't doubt it is probably accurate. To have murder, you have to first have a live being. There is no selectivity here. The baby/fetus is either alive or it isn't. All desicions beyond this have to be based on that fact. I don't deny that we'd have many new issues to decide if the baby/fetus is deemed to be life at conception, but it is what it is. We can't deny it's life just because we don't want to deal with the future issues it would cause.
If those abortion numbers are accurate, why the high number of illegal abortions?
Originally posted by stevenaa
I just can't follow this logic, although I don't doubt it is probably accurate. To have murder, you have to first have a live being. There is no selectivity here. The baby/fetus is either alive or it isn't. All desicions beyond this have to be based on that fact. I don't deny that we'd have many new issues to decide if the baby/fetus is deemed to be life at conception, but it is what it is. We can't deny it's life just because we don't want to deal with the future issues it would cause.
If those abortion numbers are accurate, why the high number of illegal abortions?
Read up on the Lacy Perterson muder trial for your answer to the first point.
And why do you question the abortion numbers? They came from a liberal woman's site.
Last edited by portisizzle; January-22nd-2005 at 08:06 AM.
The fact that a court decision can come to the conclusion that at the same stage of pregnancy you can have legal abortion or a charge of murder doesn't make it logical. If the fetus is deemed as having life, than abortion is legalized murder.Read up on the Lacy Perterson muder trial for your answer to the first point.
Not questioning them one way or the other. Wondering why there are so many illegal abortions, as my question stated.And why do you question the abortion numbers? They came from a liberal woman's site.
the difference being: The womans right to choose = privacy based on the previous decision.
The right to beat her until the child dies was never ruled upon as a valid way to enforce her privacy last i checked... and the new ruling of killing her and her child and pretending to fish is sooooo not covered...
Last edited by Thiebear; January-22nd-2005 at 09:07 AM.
In my mind it is legalised murder,much the same as denial of life support....Before I get attacked let me say I do not envy anyone that makes these kind of choices. While I do not support abortion ,I recently had to CHOOSE whether to allow my mothers life to end[something I hope no one else ever has to do] the only comfort I have is believing I followed HER wishes..../cold comfort at times indeed.. ......As to illegal abortions ,there are the do it yourselfers and non liscenced practitioners with anything.Originally posted by stevenaa
The fact that a court decision can come to the conclusion that at the same stage of pregnancy you can have legal abortion or a charge of murder doesn't make it logical. If the fetus is deemed as having life, than abortion is legalized murder.
Not questioning them one way or the other. Wondering why there are so many illegal abortions, as my question stated.
Hmmmmmmm.........Originally posted by stevenaa
If the fetus is deemed as having life, than abortion is legalized murder.
What did you vote, Liberty? I'm interested to know.Originally posted by Liberty
Why don't you stop going these round about ways and just define when life starts. That will make everything more simple.
option 3Originally posted by skinsfan51
What did you vote, Liberty? I'm interested to know.
Formerly known as "Liberty"
Wise option if you really don't know.Originally posted by Liberty
option 3
Here is something to consider for everyone.
Let's say a woman is in the 39th week of her pregnancy (one week before the due date), ok? Let's say that something traumatic happens in her life and she considers the following two legal options.
1. She can have an abortion.
2. She can deliver the baby by c-section (at that point the baby is fully formed and can live very easily)
According to the law, if she chooses option #1 she's only aborting a "fetus." Pro-"Choice" groups stand behind her right to "choose."
If she chooses option #2 she's delivers a "baby." Her family rallies around her and welcomes the new life into the world.
At what point did "it" go from fetus to baby? After birth? So breathing determines life? So 15 seconds before it is taken from her womb it's not alive? Consider how difficult it is to retain the non-personal label "fetus" in light of this very realistic situation.
It's a baby. Always has been; always will be.
"I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly. I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made." -King David
Last edited by skinsfan51; January-22nd-2005 at 01:00 PM.
Without getting all religious like.
I helped make the baby. I am now the single dad raising the babies. I like my job..
Why can't I as 50% of the contributing factor have 26% of the say in if the baby stays alive: I keep the baby and you owe me nothing... walk away and have just as much to do with "it" as if
'you' were never there....
why is that such a hard thing to determine judiciusly...
It is about the mother having control of her own body.Originally posted by Thiebear
Without getting all religious like.
I helped make the baby. I am now the single dad raising the babies. I like my job..
Why can't I as 50% of the contributing factor have 26% of the say in if the baby stays alive: I keep the baby and you owe me nothing... walk away and have just as much to do with "it" as if
'you' were never there....
why is that such a hard thing to determine judiciusly...
Formerly known as "Liberty"
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