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    I-Max theatres refuse to mention anything contradictory to Creationism

    Only in the South



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    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/19/na...=all&position=

    A New Screen Test for Imax: It's the Bible vs. the Volcano
    By CORNELIA DEAN

    Published: March 19, 2005

    The fight over evolution has reached the big, big screen.

    Several Imax theaters, including some in science museums, are refusing to show movies that mention the subject - or the Big Bang or the geology of the earth - fearing protests from people who object to films that contradict biblical descriptions of the origin of Earth and its creatures.


    The number of theaters rejecting such films is small, people in the industry say - perhaps a dozen or fewer, most in the South. But because only a few dozen Imax theaters routinely show science documentaries, the decisions of a few can have a big impact on a film's bottom line - or a producer's decision to make a documentary in the first place.

    People who follow trends at commercial and institutional Imax theaters say that in recent years, religious controversy has adversely affected the distribution of a number of films, including "Cosmic Voyage," which depicts the universe in dimensions running from the scale of subatomic particles to clusters of galaxies; "Galápagos," about the islands where Darwin theorized about evolution; and "Volcanoes of the Deep Sea," an underwater epic about the bizarre creatures that flourish in the hot, sulfurous emanations from vents in the ocean floor.

    "Volcanoes," released in 2003 and sponsored in part by the National Science Foundation and Rutgers University, has been turned down at about a dozen science centers, mostly in the South, said Dr. Richard Lutz, the Rutgers oceanographer who was chief scientist for the film. He said theater officials rejected the film because of its brief references to evolution, in particular to the possibility that life on Earth originated at the undersea vents.

    Carol Murray, director of marketing for the Fort Worth Museum of Science and History, said the museum decided not to offer the movie after showing it to a sample audience, a practice often followed by managers of Imax theaters. Ms. Murray said 137 people participated in the survey, and while some thought it was well done, "some people said it was blasphemous."

    In their written comments, she explained, they made statements like "I really hate it when the theory of evolution is presented as fact," or "I don't agree with their presentation of human existence."

    On other criteria, like narration and music, the film did not score as well as other films, Ms. Murray said, and over all, it did not receive high marks, so she recommended that the museum pass.

    "If it's not going to draw a crowd and it is going to create controversy," she said, "from a marketing standpoint I cannot make a recommendation" to show it.

    In interviews, officials at other Imax theaters said they had similarly decided against the film for fear of offending some audiences.

    "We have definitely a lot more creation public than evolution public," said Lisa Buzzelli, who directs the Charleston Imax Theater in South Carolina, a commercial theater next to the Charleston Aquarium. Her theater had not ruled out ever showing "Volcanoes," Ms. Buzzelli said, "but being in the Bible Belt, the movie does have a lot to do with evolution, and we weigh that carefully."

    Pietro Serapiglia, who handles distribution for the producer Stephen Low of Montreal, whose company made the film, said officials at other theaters told him they could not book the movie "for religious reasons," because it had "evolutionary overtones" or "would not go well with the Christian community" or because "the evolution stuff is a problem."

    Hyman Field, who as a science foundation official had a role in the financing of "Volcanoes," said he understood that theaters must be responsive to their audiences. But Dr. Field he said he was "furious" that a science museum would decide not to show a scientifically accurate documentary like "Volcanoes" because it mentioned evolution.

    "It's very alarming," he said, "all of this pressure being put on a lot of the public institutions by the fundamentalists."

    People who follow the issue say it is more likely to arise at science centers and other public institutions than at commercial theaters. The filmmaker James Cameron, who was a producer on "Volcanoes," said the commercial film he made on the same topic, "Aliens of the Deep," had not encountered opposition, except during post-production, when "it was requested from some theaters that we change a line of dialogue" relating to sun worship by ancient Egyptians. The line remained, he said.

    Mr. Cameron said he was "surprised and somewhat offended" that people were sensitive to the references to evolution in "Volcanoes."

    "It seems to be a new phenomenon," he said, "obviously symptomatic of our shift away from empiricism in science to faith-based science."

    Some in the industry say they fear that documentary filmmakers will steer clear of science topics likely to offend religious fundamentalists.

    Large-format science documentaries "are generally not big moneymakers," said Joe DeAmicis, vice president for marketing at the California Science Center in Los Angeles and formerly the director of its Imax theater. "It's going to be hard for our filmmakers to continue to make unfettered documentaries when they know going in that 10 percent of the market" will reject them.

    Others who follow the issue say many institutions are not able to resist such pressure.

    "They have to be extremely careful as to how they present anything relating to evolution," said Bayley Silleck, who wrote and directed "Cosmic Voyage." Mr. Silleck said he confronted religious objections to that film and predicted he would face them again with a project he is working on now, about dinosaurs.

    Of course, a number of factors affect a theater manager's decision about a movie. Mr. Silleck said an Imax documentary about oil fires in Kuwait "never reached its distribution potential" because it had shots of the first Persian Gulf war. "The theaters decided their patrons would be upset at seeing the bodies," he said.

    "We all have to make films for an audience that is a family audience," he went on, "when you are talking about Imax, because they are in science centers and museums."

    He added, however, "there are a number of us who are concerned that there is a kind of tacit overcaution, overprotectedness of the audience on the part of theater operators."

    In any event, censoring films like "Volcanoes" is not an option, said Dr. Field, who said Mr. Low, the film's producer, got in touch with him when the evolution issue arose to ask whether the film should be altered.

    "I said absolutely not," recalled Dr. Field, who retired from the National Science Foundation last year.

    Mr. Low said that arguments over religion and science disturbed him because of his own religious faith. In his view, he said, science is "a celebration of what nature or God has done. So for me, there's no conflict."

    Dr. Lutz, the Rutgers oceanographer, recalled a showing of "Volcanoes" he and Mr. Low attended at the New England Aquarium. When the movie ended, a little girl stood in the audience to challenge Mr. Low on the film's suggestion that Earth might have formed billions of years ago in the explosion of a star. "I thought God created the Earth," she said.

    He replied, "Maybe that's how God did it."

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    So in school only mention the big bang is o.k., but for someone else to do the opposite its horrendous..

    o.k. just checkin... I disagree with both.. but you make sure you keep that simulated outrage going... I mean really a Theater should definately live up to a higher standard than our school system

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    Evolution case begins in Georgia
    Gretchen Moore at 9:18 AM

    [JURIST] Officials from Georgia's Cobb County School District head to federal court today to defend against a lawsuit filed by parents and the ACLU of Georgia accusing the school district of promoting religion by stating in students' science books that evolution is "a theory, not a fact." The lawsuit argues that the disclaimer restricts the teaching of evolution and promotes the teaching of creationism. School officials claim that the statement is only meant to encourage students to "keep an open mind." The disclaimer was added in 2002, after thousands of parents criticized the science textbooks because they did not discuss alternative theories to evolution. The US Supreme Court ruled in Edwards v Aguillard (1987) that creationism was a religious belief that could not be taught in public schools along with evolution. AP has more.

    Originally posted by Liberty
    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

    Seperation of Church and State are not there verbatim, but it clearly means that.

    If you wan't you 5 year old daughter to learn about other religions go complain to the school. (What the hell this has to do with what you are talking about I have no idea).
    Originally posted by Liberty


    It makes no difference whether the attempt was aborted or not, it's the thought that counts you know.

    Let us not forget that The first born sons were murdered in Egypt.

    Perhaps this is a case of might makes right? God bullying people to do what he says while not abiding by his own moral codes.
    Originally posted by Liberty


    Well that would be too easy.

    You can find the disconnect of logic for any believer when they try to connect the existence of God/Creator to the existence of their own god. Of course there is also a disconect of logic to get to the point that God exists in the first place.

    You might as well have put this at the end of the Creationism thread...
    http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/s...&pagenumber=19
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    "but you make sure you keep that simulated outrage going"

    Well I intend to stimulate outrage in you, but I guess you think it is ok to see the tentacles of theocracy spreading to all facets of society, including academia.

    I didn't understand the other parts of your post.
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    I think both should be taught or all 3 or all 4 if [insert theory here] is considered remotely plausable...

    to believe the tentacles of religion are not already in every facet of our society is myopic...

    I'm probably about as religious as you are Liberty, I just don't hate on everyone else that has a 'belief'. I think its fine for them and for society as a whole. I don't use the vomit symbol and go out of my way to point at the inconsistencies and ensure I belittle any spec of hope...

    The real question is why shouldnt they: IF you can't learn about in schools because of seperation of church and state. And you can't learn about in the private industry, how far down can you push it to make it go away?

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    back on subject:

    This is the only line that a private company trying to make money needs to say:

    "If it's not going to draw a crowd and it is going to create controversy," she said, "from a marketing standpoint I cannot make a recommendation" to show it.

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    As usual, too many people spend too much time worrying about everybody else's business.
    Keep to yourself and be happy with what you choose for yourself. I am sick and tired of everyone in this country, on every side of every debate feeling they know what is best for me, and then threatening me if I don't get in line.
    For a theater to do this is just ridiculous... the fear that pervades in this country over stepping across some lunatic's supposed "line" is costing all of us our freedoms.
    IMAX is a pretty cool experience as far as theatres go. The best IMAX films I've seen have all dealt with science in one form or another. To remove that out of fear is sad.
    By the same ticket,, if some innovative filmmaker wanted to make his vision of Heaven or Hell in IMAX format, that would look pretty cool, too... but who would ban that? Someone, I'm sure,, some body who's own belief feels threatened by it.

    Our country is built from diversity.. we knew that going in, but somehow seem to have lost our way. The thing that makes us what we are is the fact we all have different beliefs and cultures in our great Melting Pot. The idea used to be to respect this diversity, knowing that by welcoming all, we make ourselves stronger.
    Well, lo and behold, that doesn't apply anymore.. in this country now you have to choose up sides on every issue, and now it seems you have to choose up sides on movies, too... or move to a place where you can see differing ideas presented freely.
    That place used to be America. I wonder where that place is now? Where do you go in this world to feel free to express yourself, to believe what you want to believe,, to be free to enjoy the fruits of life the way you see fit, within constraints of law?

    EVERYone needs to just chill. Everything it seems are taken to the ultimate extremes.
    Love thy neighbor, right?

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    Great stuff Bang.

    The bottom line is if this is a private company, they have every right to exclude whatever they wan from their programming.

    Though I personally think the decision in this particular case is stupid, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. It's their business.
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    Great Post Bang, dead on as usual.

    I agree with Henry as well.

    They have a right to do it, but it's stupid IMO.
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    Not just the Deep South, either.

    The Imax Theater here in Richmond isn't going to run it, either.

    I find it quite ironic that the Imax Theater is directly beside the Science Museum of Virginia. Can't mix up the two now!


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    Breat Post Bang,

    Yes, this was all started by a man who said. . .

    "I'm a uniter, not a divider"

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    If the company doesn't want to show it in areas that it isn't going to make a profit in than so be it....it is private after all.........personally I think it shows how backward parts of the south are(including richmond)
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    Originally posted by Funkyalligator
    If the company doesn't want to show it in areas that it isn't going to make a profit in than so be it....it is private after all.........personally I think it shows how backward parts of the south are(including richmond)
    Dang, I sho is glad to hav all ya'll yankees so worried bout enlightening us ignunt suthun folk

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    Ok some of y'all are ticking me off! So what if they do not want to play it! It is their point of view and they can do as they please! The south did not say you can not show this here they chose not to show it in certain theaters so back off on the south!

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    God forbid science museums should show science documentaries.

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    It was Imax's choice. I learned both evolution and creation in both public and christian schools. Each school taught both!

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