I-Max theatres refuse to mention anything contradictory to Creationism

[portisizzle]

Originally posted by Joe Sick
Not just the Deep South, either.

The Imax Theater here in Richmond isn't going to run it, either.

I find it quite ironic that the Imax Theater is directly beside the Science Museum of Virginia. Can't mix up the two now!

A lot of crying from the liberals today.

Tit for tat IMO. Theaters were allowed to present a totally fictional presentation of Michael Moore's 9/11 movie week before a national election. With the express intent upon affecting the outcome of the election. I did not like their decision to run the propaganda. But did it matter?

NOOOOO.......

Clam up about this, consider it "your medicine". Mr. Sick....

:cold:

[Joe Sick]

Originally posted by portisizzle


A lot of crying from the liberals today.

Tit for tat IMO. Theaters were allowed to present a totally fictional presentation of Michael Moore's 9/11 movie week before a national election. With the express intent upon affecting the outcome of the election. I did not like their decision to run the propaganda. But did it matter?

NOOOOO.......

Clam up about this, consider it "your medicine". Mr. Sick....

:cold:

Totally fictional? How can it be "totally fictional" when he was playing movie and audio clips?



Sorry, I'm not going to take the bait. Like other Democrats are doing with the Schiavo "case", I will "clam up" and let Republicans/conservatives show how out of touch they are with mainstream america and make fools of themselves all alone.

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You probably wouldn't have a problem with this either, then.

http://www.alligator.org/pt2/050323freedom.php

Capitol bill aims to control ‘leftist’ profs
THE LAW COULD LET STUDENTS SUE FOR UNTOLERATED BELIEFS

By JAMES VANLANDINGHAM
Alligator Staff Writer

TALLAHASSEE — Republicans on the House Choice and Innovation Committee voted along party lines Tuesday to pass a bill that aims to stamp out “leftist totalitarianism” by “dictator professors” in the classrooms of Florida’s universities.

The Academic Freedom Bill of Rights, sponsored by Rep. Dennis Baxley, R-Ocala, passed 8-to-2 despite strenuous objections from the only two Democrats on the committee.

The bill has two more committees to pass before it can be considered by the full House.

While promoting the bill Tuesday, Baxley said a university education should be more than “one biased view by the professor, who as a dictator controls the classroom,” as part of “a misuse of their platform to indoctrinate the next generation with their own views.”

The bill sets a statewide standard that students cannot be punished for professing beliefs with which their professors disagree. Professors would also be advised to teach alternative “serious academic theories” that may disagree with their personal views.

According to a legislative staff analysis of the bill, the law would give students who think their beliefs are not being respected legal standing to sue professors and universities.

Students who believe their professor is singling them out for “public ridicule” – for instance, when professors use the Socratic method to force students to explain their theories in class – would also be given the right to sue.

“Some professors say, ‘Evolution is a fact. I don’t want to hear about Intelligent Design (a creationist theory), and if you don’t like it, there’s the door,’” Baxley said, citing one example when he thought a student should sue.

Rep. Dan Gelber, D-Miami Beach, warned of lawsuits from students enrolled in Holocaust history courses who believe the Holocaust never happened.

Similar suits could be filed by students who don’t believe astronauts landed on the moon, who believe teaching birth control is a sin or even by Shands medical students who refuse to perform blood transfusions and believe prayer is the only way to heal the body, Gelber added.

“This is a horrible step,” he said. “Universities will have to hire lawyers so our curricula can be decided by judges in courtrooms. Professors might have to pay court costs — even if they win — from their own pockets. This is not an innocent piece of legislation.”

The staff analysis also warned the bill may shift responsibility for determining whether a student’s freedom has been infringed from the faculty to the courts.

But Baxley brushed off Gelber’s concerns. “Freedom is a dangerous thing, and you might be exposed to things you don’t want to hear,” he said. “Being a businessman, I found out you can be sued for anything. Besides, if students are being persecuted and ridiculed for their beliefs, I think they should be given standing to sue.”

During the committee hearing, Baxley cast opposition to his bill as “leftists” struggling against “mainstream society.”

“The critics ridicule me for daring to stand up for students and faculty,” he said, adding that he was called a McCarthyist.

Baxley later said he had a list of students who were discriminated against by professors, but refused to reveal names because he felt they would be persecuted.

Rep. Eleanor Sobel, D-Hollywood, argued universities and the state Board of Governors already have policies in place to protect academic freedom. Moreover, a state law outlining how professors are supposed to teach would encroach on the board’s authority to manage state schools.

“The big hand of state government is going into the universities telling them how to teach,” she said. “This bill is the antithesis of academic freedom.”

But Baxley compared the state’s universities to children, saying the legislature should not give them money without providing “guidance” to their behavior.

“Professors are accountable for what they say or do,” he said. “They’re accountable to the rest of us in society … All of a sudden the faculty think they can do what they want and shut us out. Why is it so unheard of to say the professor shouldn’t be a dictator and control that room as their totalitarian niche?”

In an interview before the meeting, Baxley said “arrogant, elitist academics are swarming” to oppose the bill, and media reports misrepresented his intentions.

“I expect to be out there on my own pretty far,” he said. “I don’t expect to be part of a team.”

House Bill H-837 can be viewed online at www.flsenate.gov.

[Joe Sick]

Originally posted by Funkyalligator
If the company doesn't want to show it in areas that it isn't going to make a profit in than so be it....it is private after all.........personally I think it shows how backward parts of the south are(including richmond)

Geez, you would think that Imax would love this controversy. The school field trip business and Pink Floyd lightshows can't pay that well. Controversy sells!

And yes, Richmond can be quite backwards.

I think they are going to change the name of the Science Museum to the "Science" Museum.

[Prosperity]

Originally posted by Thiebear
I think both should be taught or all 3 or all 4 if [insert theory here] is considered remotely plausable...

to believe the tentacles of religion are not already in every facet of our society is myopic...

I'm probably about as religious as you are Liberty, I just don't hate on everyone else that has a 'belief'. I think its fine for them and for society as a whole. I don't use the vomit symbol and go out of my way to point at the inconsistencies and ensure I belittle any spec of hope...

The real question is why shouldnt they: IF you can't learn about in schools because of seperation of church and state. And you can't learn about in the private industry, how far down can you push it to make it go away?

Why so PC? We don't need to teach every theory that some nut thinks up. Only scientifically based theories belong in science, put the other stuff in history or theology classes. If Creationism has a scientific basis then I wouldn't be against its teaching, but it doesn't.

Religion can not be in Science. Science uses evidece to justify, religion uses faith.

[portisizzle]

Originally posted by Joe Sick


Totally fictional? How can it be "totally fictional" when he was playing movie and audio clips?



Sorry, I'm not going to take the bait. Like other Democrats are doing with the Schiavo "case", I will "clam up" and let Republicans/conservatives show how out of touch they are with mainstream america and make fools of themselves all alone.

Playing movie and audio clips and drawing conclusions that are/were not there. No need to grandstand on Moore's part. In retrospect, the video did more harm than good for the liberals.

My point was to say, theaters had the right the play propaganda weeks before the election. They also have the right NOT to play a show, for whatever reason. Like it or not.

So are you saying mainstream America is for killing a woman that is alive?? With parents who WANT her alive?? Wanna do a poll??

[chomerics]

Originally posted by portisizzle

So are you saying mainstream America is for killing a woman that is alive?? With parents who WANT her alive?? Wanna do a poll??

Why bother, ther have already been so many

http://www.pollingreport.com/news.htm

You are wrong, yet again. . . check the polls.

[portisizzle]

Originally posted by chomerics


You are wrong, yet again. . . check the polls.

We stopped "checking polls" when Clinton left office. We have a leader now, get used to it. He has been around for four years.

[Bang]

Originally posted by portisizzle

A lot of crying from the liberals today.

Tit for tat IMO.

Here's the problem. EVERYTHING is a goddam confrontation between right and left.
NO RESPECT for anyone anymore.


I'm NOT a liberal,, but I guess I am crying because I am sick to death of all the fighting in this country. Some of you fingerpointing namecallers are making it embarrassing to think conservative. (I'm an independent who mostly thinks conservatively.. but that isn't usually good enough,, either toe the entire line, or leave the reich is the attitude I usually get.)
Try being an American,, espouse the values of fair play, good sportsmanship and virtue that we're supposed to have.
Not pissing and pointing and namecalling and blaming and whining and lording it over anyone who will listen.
Respect your neighbors, respect those who's opinions differ from your own. Balance and diversity...it's what USED to make us great.
Now we're nothing but a bunch of goddam ninnies screaming at each other over EVERYTHING.

~Bang

[portisizzle]

Bang, until the government takes over the theater industry.....

IMAX can do whatever the heck they want. That is the end of story. No discussion and no debate.

[Bang]

My last post wasn't about the theatre,, it was about your need to slam liberals, and turn it into a pissing contest over politics again. And your need to do it merely illustrates what I see as a huge problem in this country, which is why I chose to respond to it.

~Bang

[portisizzle]

Bang,

I had an opinion and expressed it. That is what this country is about. How is this a "problem" with our country?

Would you rather have had a polite discussion about this topic void of politics? Well Liberty began his topic like this .....

"Only in the South."

And your response included this......


"For a theater to do this is just ridiculous... the fear that pervades in this country over stepping across some lunatic's supposed "line" is costing all of us our freedoms."


For the record..

1) IMAX is in business. A private business. They decide what to show. South or not.

2) I am conservative, I believe in creationism. I ALSO believe in evolution. The two topics are not mutually exclusive. How does that fact play to your last post?

3) Since you called me out individually, how many time have I "slammed liberals"? Careful. Debate is NOT slamming.

4) And the clincher is I respect, Joe Sick, Renegade, Chromerics, and other liberal posters a temendous amount and have never attacked them personally. The debate we have had is heated and I doubt we change many minds. But I fear people with your point of view who sees debate as a childish pissing contest that should be avoided. That is what I got from your last couple of posts.

I reject that line of thinking.
Plus - I go out of my way to make sure posters do not write such things about me...."your need to slam liberals, and turn it into a pissing contest over politics again." How did I miss the mark with you??

You see fighting......I see enjoyable debate.

BIG DIFFERENCE.

[Thiebear]

Originally posted by Liberty


Why so PC? We don't need to teach every theory that some nut thinks up. Only scientifically based theories belong in science, put the other stuff in history or theology classes. If Creationism has a scientific basis then I wouldn't be against its teaching, but it doesn't.

Religion can not be in Science. Science uses evidece to justify, religion uses faith.

I'm that Freedom of speech above all else guy.. We need to teach any of the "Major" theories (Your science is a theory also) and if they are in different classes who cares... Like you our children are smart enough to figure it out or at least see alternatives...

There are 2-3 things just recently in "science" that were proven wrong and or are in direct oppostion of another science... I don't care because they are trying hard to strive for answers...

that whole 6 thousand years thing and dinosaur soft tissue is a toughie .... but its not my issue to resolve... I let it go as a persons right to believe what they want.

If the Science Museum NEXT to the IMAX in Richmond wants to capitalize on this they would put it out there to see "both" sides.. it would be smart for them to do. And if IMAX can't justify the cost/relationship then again so-be-it.

[portisizzle]

Bang,

A post from Tarhog that I feel is relevant here.

"I have friends at work that I spend hours and hours with each week. I have no idea their political affiliations. And I could care less. I love them because they are wonderful people.

Its one thing to argue on an internet messageboard. Thankfully, we treat one another with love and respect across vast areas of this country, regardless of political persuasion. Don't get caught up in the belief that most of the 'debate' really matters. It doesn't. People matter. On ideas and debates, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Republicans 'survived' 8 years of Clinton. Democrats will survive 8 years of W. And if I'd led you outside on a chosen day over the past 12 years, you could have gone the whole day without knowing which party was running things.

I love politics, but lets face it - they're politics, not life. Of course there are occasionally big decisions made, and we ought to pay attention. And if we don't agree with them, speak out. But its not time to divide the country. Henry and I are about as far apart politically as you can get, but we work together and I love the guy. What he's about is and always will be more important than any ideological differences.

Just my opinion."

[Ignatius J.]

how is that relevant to your desire to fan the flames of hatred?

well I guess it is relevant, It just kind of points out the mistakes you're making in this thread.

[portisizzle]

Originally posted by Ignatius J.
how is that relevant to your desire to fan the flames of hatred?

well I guess it is relevant, It just kind of points out the mistakes you're making in this thread.

Because I care.

Please point out my mistakes.