Bible question.....

[Coach Williams]

I just read something off this site:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_10c9.htm

Check out this quote......

"None of the Ten Commandments prohibits same-sex relationships. Similarly no commandment or passage in the Hebrew Scriptures forbids a man engaging in heterosexual fornication (i.e. sexual activity outside of marriage) as long as the woman was neither a virgin, or was owned by (i.e. married or betrothed to) another man."

I was told as a child this quote from the bible.....

" I am not the God of confusion, I man who lays with another man is confused."


So uhhh.....is this not a quote thwn from the bible?.....

Isn't lying a sin....

[Mr. Nostril]

The person who told you that may have been lying, or may have been severely misinformed. The Bible does not contain the quote that you just said. However, I Corinthians 14:33 says "For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace..." I think it's most likely that the person who told you this was making a joke. He was saying "The bible says 'God is not the author of confusion' a man who lay with another man is confused." The Bible quote likely ended after the word confusion. However, there is the issue that he prooftexted a small portion of the Bible and then put his own spin on it. Small portions of the Bible can be taken out of context to make the Bible say almost anything that a person wants it to. And the Bible has been used to justify most everything. Hitler claimed to be a Christian, and he used the Bible to justify his actions.

Where the prevalent belief in Christianity that homosexuality is sinful comes from is Leviticus 20:13 "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." I Corinthians 6:9 "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind." Note: effeminate is a poor translation. It should be translated homosexual. Also, in the Bible, God destroyed Sodom for it's sin, and there's a reason it's called Sodomy.

I am a Christian, and I participate in the belief that homosexuality is a sin. However, I do not participate in the belief that homosexuality should be outlawed or kept from being legally married. I believe that there is a very important difference between marriage under the state and marriage under God, so I don't really care what the government says about marriage.

I don't see Christians railing against homosexuality as productive. Christ was in alot of ways the ultimate hippy. He preached that what the world needed was to love their fellow man, and he most commonly expressed anger at church leaders, because it seems they should no better.

Some confusion can be had on the two verses I've mentioned. First, the Leviticus verse doesn't apply. When Jesus came he fulfilled the entire law, and OT law that the Jews had to follow were replaced with grace.

The Second Verse, in I Corinthians takes place under grace. To oversimplify the whole situation, what happens is Christ's death on the cross, covers all the sins of everyone who trusts Christ's work to save him. So, Christ's forgiveness blots out any of these transgressions that were mentioned in this verse. So, someone who through human eyes has committed these sins can "inherit the kingdom of God," because through God's eyes they are blotted out by Christ's death.

[Oldskool]

lets make the bible fun again

http://www.thebricktestament.com/the...y/lv18_22.html



Lv 18:22
'Do not have sex with a man as you would with a woman. It is an abomination.'

seriously..



In Hebrew the phrase is translated as

""V’et zachar lo tishkav mishk’vey eeshah toeyvah hee." which pretty much means do not lay with a man as you would a woman.

[CrabR]

Originally posted by Oldskool
Lv 18:22
'Do not have sex with a man as you would with a woman. It is an abomination.'

Lets not forget the other abominations

Crabs and shrimp are a abomination

Leviticus 11:12
Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

creeping four legged fouls are also an abomination

Leviticus 11:20
All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you.

as well as four footed flying creeping things

Leviticus 11:23
But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet, shall be an abomination unto you.

Originally posted by Mr. Nostril
Leviticus verse doesn't apply. When Jesus came he fulfilled the entire law, and OT law that the Jews had to follow were replaced with grace

so says paul,

Jesus said:

Mt.5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Mt.5:18-19
"Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or tittle shall nowise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven."

Lk.16:17
"It is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail."

other references to keeping the law

Lev.23:14 It shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations

1 Jn 5:3 - For the love of God is this, that we obey his
commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome...

1 Jn 2:4-6 - Whoever says, "I have come to know him," but does not obey his commandments, is a liar, and in such a person the truth doesnot exist; but whoever obeys his word, truly in this person the love of God has reached perfection.

Revelation 14:12*This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God's commandments and remain faithful to Jesus.


of coarse Paul uses the law when it benefits him

1 Cor.14:34-36 "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

The Bible is a book of confusion and contradictions

[Redsk58417]

Originally posted by CrabR



The Bible is a book of confusion and contradictions

It is, when you attempt to read it "WITHOUT" the guidance and revelation of the Holy Spirit! You referenced "Paul," but Paul battled within himself often as we do. In Romans 7:23 he talks of a battle going on "Within himself." But the human body is always at war with the Holy Spirit. Why? Because the body is "Selfish" self gratifying, in-considerate etc. Ephesians 5 will point out the differences. Until we think "Like God thinks" it will be a struggle with our own desires! (Romans 12:1-2)

Also: God told Adam "To be fruitful and Multiply!" Adam very well cannot multiply with some other male named "Alan." Sex was for a married man with his wife for "Reproduction" purposes and enjoyment "For them!" I cannot understand when people say "God never said that....about gay relationships." The institution of Marriage is perverted like everything else on this perishing earth! Music, TV, Movies etc.

[codeorama]

You can take any line from the bible and spin it any number of ways.

Unless you can read hebrew and greek, you are only getting a semi interpretation of what the real intent was.

[jbooma]

Originally posted by codeorama
You can take any line from the bible and spin it any number of ways.

Unless you can read hebrew and greek, you are only getting a semi interpretation of what the real intent was.

exactly, this is why one church allows woman priests and others don't, all because of the original translation created 2 different words

by the way there are stories in the old testament about men having sex with men, and children at times, it doesn't say it in words but if you read the entire story you will know what is going on,

the bible is meant to take from it what you want, but you can't take it word for word literally, because of the errors in translations, the most important thing is to get the message, not the words

[Funkyalligator]

I completely agree with jbooma on this one...

[codeorama]

Remember the reverend Reggie White?

He had an awakening after he retired from football.

He realized that unless he could read hebrew and greek, he couldn't really understand what the bible's true meaning was, that he was only taking someone's word for it.

He learned to read hebrew, and maybe greek, but i'm not sure on that and he changed his position on quite a few things regarding religion.

[Oldskool]

Originally posted by codeorama
You can take any line from the bible and spin it any number of ways.

Unless you can read hebrew and greek, you are only getting a semi interpretation of what the real intent was.

Bypass Greek altogether. The translation from Hebrew and Aramaic (both of the same root language) to Greek loses words and adds multiple definitions to words that are of a singular meaning in the original language.

[codeorama]

Originally posted by Oldskool


Bypass Greek altogether. The translation from Hebrew and Aramaic (both of the same root language) to Greek loses words and adds multiple definitions to words that are of a singular meaning in the original language.

Most of the new testament was originally written in Greek. Some was in Aramaic though.

[Oldskool]

Originally posted by codeorama


Most of the new testament was originally written in Greek. Some was in Aramaic though.

Actually thats backwards. the only books that were written in Greek were the letters sent abroad to the churches outside of the holyland, such as Corr I and II, Romans, Pillipians, Philemon. The books of James, John, Mark, Luke, Titus, Timothy, Peter, Jude, Revelations were at least written partially in Aramaic if not fully in the writters original language.

[jbooma]

Originally posted by Oldskool


Actually thats backwards. the only books that were written in Greek were the letters sent abroad to the churches outside of the holyland, such as Corr I and II, Romans, Pillipians, Philemon. The books of James, John, Mark, Luke, Titus, Timothy, Peter, Jude, Revelations were at least written partially in Aramaic if not fully in the writters original language.

I thought Mark was in greek since wasn't this the last of the 4 to be written?? Maybe it wasn't Mark but the one that was written hundreds of years later.

[Oldskool]

Originally posted by jbooma


I thought Mark was in greek since wasn't this the last of the 4 to be written?? Maybe it wasn't Mark but the one that was written hundreds of years later.

Not hundreds but decades later. I cant remember which right now due to a lack of caffeine in my bloodstream...

[jbooma]

Originally posted by Oldskool


Not hundreds but decades later. I cant remember which right now due to a lack of caffeine in my bloodstream...

then go get some coffee